they're not big like new york city where they can afford that. we're trying get 100% paid for by the federal government. >> do you think that's likely? >> i think so. they've done it with the power lines and transportation needs but we need to have it for these long-term purposes as well like the dunes and the beach repolicemen irnment. >> should homeowners who have not signed those easements who have not allowed, they want the sand brought back but don't want their views lost by a big sand dune. should they be forced to sign the easements before the sand is put back? >> i'm not sympathetic to those who don't want to sign the easements. it's important for us to get the job done. >> in terms of just looking around the state at other issues, is there a way to better prepare for the storms in the future or do we have to accept storms like this will come around every 50 or 100 years? >> well, no, i think you can have better protection, not only long-term protection like dune protection but better plans for utilities. i had a meeting in aberdeen where